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07 May 2024[edit]

– Clerk assistance is requested in the case below.

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

This is a possible case of block evasion as two weeks ago the editor Kodosbs made very similar comments to currently blocked account Analyticalreview. Here[1] Kodosbs states that "...it is quite sad that someone subjectively implies that a country as beautiful and multiethnic as Mexico is whiter than the state of California in the US"
While one month ago Analyticalreview said here[2] that "...Even the most extreme cases (I.E Mennonites) are becoming Mestizos in recent decades. It is utter nonsense to believe Mexico is almost as European as the USA"
Besides these similar comments both editors seem to hold identical opinions on everything and even ask eachother for support[3].


Another similarity I found is on this edit[4] Kodosbs made to the article White Mexicans where he tags a source and uses a rather confusing edit summary that reads "The provided reference on "White Mexicans" does not support the premise because the text discusses mestizaje in Mexico from a historical and cultural perspective, without specifically addressing individuals identifying as white due to their physical appearance or European ancestry"
This is an almost identical action to what sockmaster Php2000 did back in 2020, where he, various times sought to remove the same source in the article of Mexicans[5][6] stating "Sources do not provide any specific definition for European Mexicans. False attribution" and "rv: the source discusses the origins of Mexico in 1808. It literally has nothing to do with the statement nor supports it." Which is why I open the investigation under Php2000 again.


Besides this evidence, In recent days I've noticed activity from an account that I've suspected to be another sockpuppet by this editor for some time now, the account Zaquezipe[7] as it frequents articles that Analyticalreview also frequents such as Ethnic groups of Latin America [8] (that article in turn, seems to have high sockpuppet activity with accounts such as Encyclopediaknowledge[9] being a likely example). In the last days he insistently tried to remove a source and lower the number of White Colombians [10][11] which is what Analyticalreview was trying to do in the article of White Mexicans before he got blocked [12][13], even in the talk page of administrator ~ ToBeFree he acussed an opposing editor of "... trying to undercount the ethnic minorities of colombia as I have seen on the Colombia and Afro-Colombian pages and overestimate the european contribution to Colombia despite colombia being a genetically diverse nation"[14]
Which is a similar accusation to the one Kodosbs made to me two weeks ago when he said "...it is quite sad that someone subjectively implies that a country as beautiful and multiethnic as Mexico is whiter than the state of California in the US"[15].
Another likely sockpuppet of Zaquezipe that I've noticed recently is the account UntitledJuan[16] as it begun to appear on articles frequented by Zaquezipe such as Indigenous peoples of Colombia[17] after he got reported, other article which both accounts have edited is the article Race and ethnicity in Colombia[18]. The account was created in 2019 which suggests that this editor has accounts sitting for years ready to be used as "third hands" in content disputes, in the meantime makes edits sporadically on articles related to this person's "country of interest" so with time they can "pass" as legitimate accounts from editors of those countries (in this case Colombia).
Another account that I've had suspicions of being a sockpuppet for a while is the account WikiJuan[19] as besides having a similar name to UntitledJuan the edits of both accounts follow the same trend: edits on articles about Indigenous peoples, race, ethnicity etc. with the difference that this time the "country of interest" is Argentina instead of Colombia, Mexico or Peru, this editor seems to make one or more accounts for each country he edits on.


I must remark that while I request Checkuser to find other accounts this editor may have created (or even maybe find his actual main account, as there surely is one) there is strong evidence that this editor uses multiple proxies as Kodosbs has been blocked for such thing before[20][21]. There was even one case recently on which a sockpuppet by this person, the account Puggle, got blocked for doing the same edits[22] that Analyticalreview made to article White Mexicans and immediately after that requested for Checkuser to be used on him to "clear him"[23] which comes to prove how confident this person is about his proxies. So while I request Checkuser for the aforementioned reasons I think to evaluate the behavioral simmilarities is the main key to solve this case, so what do administrators think? Is Php2000/Analyticalreview using proxies to evade his blocks and continue edit warring? Pob3qu3 (talk) 01:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply Vanamonde93, I have one important question though, what do you think about the similarities I reported between Kodosbs and the currently designated sockmaster Php2000 (the ones I detail on the second paragraph)?. Pob3qu3 (talk) 22:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again for your reply Vanamonde93. Actually on my time opening SPIs I've got the opposite impression, this is, that race and ethnicity seem to be niche topics that atract only 2 or three editors per country at most, and that an editor persistent enough and with enough free time and resources could "take over" the totallity of those articles, I have another SPI[24] on which I linked two open proxies[25][26] that were evidently used by the same person with the purpose of "taking over" the articles of race and ethnicity of several countries. Pob3qu3 (talk) 01:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vanamonde93 I'm putting this here as you said you didn't had enough evidence to check the account Zaquezipe: so happens that both editors, Analyticalreview[27] and Zaquezipe[28] are using the same website as a source and claiming that its "new information from 2023" when the actual document published in 2023 by that organization does not feature such data[29]. Pob3qu3 (talk) 04:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reconsidering and checking Zaquezipe Vanamonde93, the account Uruguayan989 was another one I suspected was a sockpuppet since months ago. In fact, I have previously reported it on another SPI, on which I made a connection between it and HipHopVisionary due similar editing patterns and usernames chosen[30], compelling connections are made among other accounts too.
Besides this I was checking the contributions of the discovered sockpuppets and found that Popayan1210[31] and Untitledjuan[32] overlap in many articles related to Colombia[33], not sure if you checked Untitledjuan. There's also WikiJuan, who edits a similar array of articles (ethnic groups, Indigenous peoples, genetics etc.) but instead of doing it in articles related to Colombia or Mexico (as Uruguayan989 did) WikiJuan does so in articles related to Argentina[34].
Going back to Analyticalreview, behavioral connections can be made between him and the now blocked Uruguayan989, for example, on early April Uruguaya989 was altering a table on the articles of Demographics of Mexico[35] and Mexicans[36] using identical arguments to the ones Analyticalreview was using in the article of White Mexicans[37] (note: while Analyticalreviw/Uruguayan989 arguments may seem compelling at first glance due the confidence and agressivity he conducts himself with, his arguments actually fall apart when they are carefully scrutized, in fact he has accepted various times that his interpretation of the source was wrong all along as I recently recalled here[38]) in fact, a pair of days ago Analyticalreview altered that same table from the article White Mexicans[39]. Pob3qu3 (talk) 23:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • Kodosbs and Analyticalreview appear technically Red X Unrelated, and I don't see enough evidence to check Zaquezipe. Closing. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't consider the behavioral similarity strong enough to action. Presumably a lot of people care about racial demographics in Mexico; I'm seeing a shared POV, but that does not immediately imply sockpuppetry. Vanamonde93 (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the newest evidence I checked Zaquezipe, and while they are Red X Unrelated to any other account in this report they are  Confirmed to Popayan1210, Uruguayan989, Campesinote, and VENEZUELARULESDUDE. I'm uncertain if this is a separate sockfarm, or whether it's related to the master reported here; that evaluation will need to look at behavior, and this may need to be split to a different SPI. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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