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Category:Kannywood actors[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:01, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Kannywood redirects to Hausa-language cinema. – Fayenatic London 21:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works about intellectuals[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Works about intelligentsia. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, no clearly defined criteria exist for what constitutes an "intellectual" - car chasm (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Taisha[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per article title Taisha-zukuri. Note that Taisha is a disambiguation page. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Taisha is a shrine ranking, and Taisha-zukuri is a tangentially related architectural style named after one such shrine with that ranking. We should have an article on Taisha but we currently do not. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 08:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kamo shrines[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCASSOC, the category is apparently named after the Kamo River but that has little to do with shrines. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is a specific tradition of Kamo Shrines. It is not just a physical location. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:21, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for Now If and when well sourced content appears, we can re-evaluate. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Susanoo shrines[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per main article Susanoo-no-Mikoto. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gion faith[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of these articles, Gion is often not mentioned at all. The article Gion is about a part of Kyoto, but the articles are unrelated to that. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle It is very much a defining characteristic. The deities are worshipped in the gion faith, and the buildings are dedicated to it, the festivals are festivals of the Gion faith. It is a bit strange in its history due to suppression by the Meiji government though. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:07, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of the articles now have clear mentions. One I think was miscategorized but the rest were fairly obvious to someone with familiarity with the Gion faith. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kōshin faith[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to align with what should be the main article of this category Kōshin. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sanno faith[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. No quorum. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to align with what should be the main article of this category Sannō Ichijitsu Shintō. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Towers in religion[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename as originally proposed. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:36, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, consistent with parent Category:Religious buildings and structures. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The current name seems to suggest the topic is about the meaning/significance of towers in religious thought/practice/theology/symbolism, but it is about the religious functions of actual towers. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt Only people are religious; inanimate objects cannot be religious. I think that Category:Religious buildings and structures with domes provides a better direction. What about Category:Towers (religious buildings and structures)? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't follow the logic here (why is "religious buildings" fine but not "religious towers"?). At any rate, it clearly is possible for inanimate objects to be "religious" - aside from "religious buildings", the obvious example is "religious books". Furius (talk) 00:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename I'm not sure the target name is the best option, but it's clearer than what we have now. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Regional Sōja[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, "regional" is not a defining characteristic of the shrines. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ancient Greek rulers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ancient Greek monarchs. bibliomaniac15 04:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B/WP:C2C. Follow-up to recently renamed "Category:Ancient Greek women rulers" > Category:Ancient Greek queens regnant, in which female Category:Ancient Greek tyrants were ultimately excluded as non-monarchs. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Montreal Maroons (soccer) players[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the soccer club is notable. No article exists, no independent sources could be found. Geregen2 (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Taekwondo teams[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All entries are federations, all entries are also in Category:National members of World Taekwondo Kaffet i halsen (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Monica and Friends[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To fit with the new comics names

@Marcocapelle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notrealname1234 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexologists[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1-3 articles in each of these categories and not part of a large established tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Montreal CPR players[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable. Existed in the 1920s and 1930s, no article, I could not find independent coverage. Geregen2 (talk) 14:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Olympic sportspeople of Foo[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all per revised proposal Timrollpickering (talk) 16:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and 4835 similar categories
Nominator's rationale: C2C Category:Olympic competitors by country categories (e.g. Category:Olympic competitors for Albania‎) and C2D Chinese Taipei at the Olympics
I have not yet found if the of/for-switch, between e.g. Category:Olympic competitors for Albania‎ and Category:Olympic alpine skiers of Albania‎, has been discussed or why it exists. I have only found Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Olympic competitors by country, a discussion 2005 that established the Category:Olympic competitors for Foo. Mention at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics has not yet rendered any explination.
The reason for for and not from, except for that parent categories are for is that a sportsperson may be from somewhere but represent another entity. For these categories, it is who they represent that is defining.
It doesn’t look to be an preference for of in Wikipedia articles: one "Olympic swimmer of" and 30+ "Olympic swimmer for"; or in web search results: three "Olympic swimmer of Great Britain" -wiki and 1,280 "Olympic swimmer for Great Britain" -wiki
Note: Chinese Taipei at the Olympics had a request to be moved to Taiwan at the Olympics in December 2021 that resulted in no move. Chinese Taipei at the Paralympics and Category:Chinese Taipei at the Paralympics‎ are congruent.
Excluded categories: Category:Olympic competitors as Independent Olympic Participants, Paratriathletes and paracanoeists by country (CfD), Category:Olympic footballers of Russia (CfD), a couple of irregularly named categories (Category:American military Olympians, Category:English Olympic competitors‎, Category:Indigenous Australian Paralympians‎, Category:Paralympic athletes of Italian military sports bodies, Category:Scottish Olympic competitors‎, Category:Scottish Paralympic competitors, Category:Welsh Olympic competitors‎, and Category:Welsh Paralympic competitors).
Kaffet i halsen (talk) 11:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Chinese Taipei" for consistency. Taiwan is called Taiwan throughout the category tree and "for Chinese Taipei" is not required here as part of a proper name or a standard expression. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks it hasn't reached the category Category:Chinese Taipei at multi-sport events Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- I suspect that objections from PRC may mean that Taiwanese competitors have to use that team name. The country calls itself "Republic of China" but WP decided long ago that we should call it Taiwan. Perhaps this should apply here too. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support "Chinese Taipei" -- also see 2018 Taiwanese referendum#Questions and results. --寒吉 (talk) 06:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support "for" but Oppose "Chinese Taipei". The categories for Taiwan participation at the Olympics also cover the period between 1956 and 1976 where Taiwan sent a delegation under the names of either Republic of China, Formosa or Taiwan. "Chinese Taipei" only became a thing starting in 1981. There would probably be little reason to split the categories for Taiwanese participation in the Olympics before or after this date, and "Taiwan" is a better time-independent term for the topic because it is the widely understood common name of the country. Place Clichy (talk) 11:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Taiwan aside, is this proposal really important enough to change nearly 5,000 categories? Liz Read! Talk! 02:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the main distinction being that not every competitor for a country is necessarily of that country, being eligible through whatever grounds - and that the relevant defining feature for the category is the country being represented; the distinction indicates this focus. I suppose that otherwise, theoretically because it would never stand, someone could try to argue adding multiple "competitor of X" categories to articles of athletes with dual nationality even if they've only represented one country at the Olympics. And since a bot will surely be making the changes, it was probably more effort for me to type this. Kingsif (talk) 03:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: I have removed the Taiwan/Chinese Taipei part from the nomination to reach consensus. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 10:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional energy swordfighters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF. Created by a banned user. The fact that they use an energy sword in particular does not really have a bearing on their characterization. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Princes in Rus'[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Princes from Kievan Rus'. bibliomaniac15 04:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, re-parent to Category:Kievan Rus' people and purge Category:Grand Princes of Moscow. Except the Moscovian rulers (who lived in a completely different time period), these are princes of Kievan Rus'. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that the nom has been modified from the original.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 06:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Medieval Islamic world[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 04:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C per parent Category:Religion in the Middle Ages and per sibling Category:Christianity in the Middle Ages (see 2018 rename precedent). It already has the century categories as children (Category:7th-century Islam‎ to Category:15th-century Islam‎). The September 2022 move to the current name has caused numerous problems (see the recent discussion). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@William Allen Simpson did I nominate it properly this time? I'll just do Islam for now, we can always do Hinduism and Judaism as a follow-up, I don't want to over-complicate things. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — as a first step. This is not a former country or a set of countries or a "world". Caused considerable confusion. Agree on over-complication. KISS.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! Should I ping the other users involved with the previous CfD? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london, Laurel Lodged, Marcocapelle, Orientls, Peterkingiron, and RevelationDirect: still active users from earlier discussions. The 2022 rename to "world" nominator was a sockpuppet....
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not his only sock... Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It has never been restricted to religious content in the first place, that is exactly why Category:Medieval Islam was and is not a good name for it. We might want to try creating a new Category:Medieval Islam as a subcategory strictly focusing on the equivalent of what in Christianity is sometimes called "church history". It may be populated with a subcategory of medieval Islamic religious scholars, a subcategory of their works and maybe a subcategory of medieval religious movements. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle It has never been restricted to religious content in the first place How do you know that? All its Foo in the medieval Islamic world subcats were not created by Al-Andalusi until 2020-2022.
    And while it's difficult to verify what the category was like in its early days (because it only shows current subcats and items), I can show that Category:Medieval Islam was created on 18 November 2011 by User:Dbachmann, was given only two parents, namely Category:Religion in the Middle Ages and Category:History of Islam, and the following items were put into it by Dbachmann that day, before he moved on to other topics:
    So unless you think it's appropriate to put something like Category:Medieval Arabs killed in battle or Category:Medieval Welsh killed in battle in the Category:Religion in the Middle Ages tree (which you didn't, you personally removed it in 2016!), I would suggest it has been restricted to religious content in the first place (except 1 miscategorisation that you personally corrected; I find that a really funny coincidence). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:46, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • With the list of subcategories that were in it from the beginning you merely confirm what I said before, that the category has never been restricted to religious content in the first place. Everything is very "arguable" when you look at it from a historian of religion's point of view. For example Category:Carolingian Empire is not in the tree of Category:Christianity in the Middle Ages and likewise no Islamic country belongs in Category:Medieval Islam, as country categories cover politics, culture, society, in short they cover everything of the country, and not just religion. On the other hand Category:Christianity in the Middle Ages covers specific religious subjects, as it is supposed to do, like church councils and theological controversies, but Islam does not have something similar to church councils and has way fewer (well-known) theological controversies. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      By that logic, we should rename its parent Category:History of Islam to Category:History of the Islamic world. It's not really about religion, just a catch-all for anything vaguely associated with Islam. Rather than purging miscategories items and subcats, we just abandon the scope of a category. We add a slew of geographic generalisations, which pan-Islamists will love, and will implicitly virtually erase the existence of millions of non-Muslims from areas across three continents from all of history. (Oh, and let's try and categorise it as some sort of "civilization"; I don't know which yet, but hopefully we'll find one that sticks eventually). Why? Because Islam does not have something similar to church councils and has way fewer (well-known) theological controversies. /sarcasm. I'm sorry, but I don't think these are valid excuses for abandoning our policies on categorisation. I'm a bit frustrated that you do not appear to see just how many issues that these categorisations are causing (even though you have seen and corrected some of them already). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Sarcasm aside, Islam has many denominations, seminaries, and councils. Alawite, Shia, Sunni, and Sufi have had many wars, perhaps more than Roman Catholic and Protestant. Sunni alone has 4 major schools: Hanafi, Shafii, Maliki, and Hanbali, the latter spawning the Wahhabi and Salafi movements in Saudi Arabia.
      William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • While there are of course differences in Islam, these can often be explained in the articles about denominations, schools and movements. What I was talking about is historical events with stand-alone notability that merit an article. That is how categories get populated. For Islam we have very few. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 06:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep -- This much wider than just Islam as a religion, but refers to a whole culture or civilisation, and some of it is about people who were not Muslims. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 23#Category:Ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe

Category:Pathological science[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 23#Category:Pathological science

Category:Eintracht Vancouver players[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable. Played in an amateur league 50+ years ago. No independent coverage could be found. Geregen2 (talk) 00:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Club were Canadian national champions in 1971 (winners of the Challenge Trophy) and had Canadian national team players playing for it at the time, two of whom are in this category. There are numerous references to the club in contemporaneous newspapers (the club are also referred to as "Vancouver Eintracht"). Cheers, Number 57 11:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per N57, 4 entries (for now) is enough. GiantSnowman 20:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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