Talk:Jump (Tyla, Gunna, and Skillibeng song)

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The official cover for the song is being used on both Portuguese and Dutch websites.[edit]

The official cover is used on both the Portugal charts and Dutch charts and is therefore highly likely not fanmade. Yes both are Hung Medien websites but I doubt both charts would use fanmade covers. 67.230.43.70 (talk) 02:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

portuguesecharts.com and dutchcharts.nl are both Hung Medien sites administrated by Steffen Hung, and Hung Medien sites have used plenty of fanmade cover artworks in the past. Unless the cover has been used by a reliable source, in a 300×300 format (meaning somebody hasn't edited down/cropped a video thumbnail or some such), it's not an official cover. Ss112 08:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

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Tyla (left) and Gunna (right) filming the music video for "Jump" in South Africa
Tyla (left) and Gunna (right) filming the music video for "Jump" in South Africa
  • ... that a fusion of international talent "Jump" by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna and Jamaican singer as well as rapper Skillibeng is a collaborative song which blends Tyla's melodious vocals, Gunna's rap prowess, and Skillibeng's dancehall flair, marking a vibrant cross-genre collaboration that's making waves globally? Source: ' ' 'Source:' ' '
  • For 6 consecutive weeks, the song has maintained the number one position on the UK's biggest premier chart for afrobeats songs, which ranks them according to sales and streams over a 7 day period: [1]
  • American rapper Gunna and South African singer Tyla traveled to Johannesburg, South Africa, Tyla's hometown, to film the official music video: [2]
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: "Jump" by Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng achieved remarkable success, reaching the number 1 spot on The UK’s biggest Afrobeats songs chart for six consecutive weeks. The collaboration between American rapper Gunna , Jamaican musician Skillibeng and South African singer Tyla, filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa, showcases the global appeal and cross-cultural influence of contemporary music. The song's popularity underscores the growing recognition and appreciation of African music on an international scale. "Jump" exemplifies the fusion of diverse musical styles and talents, resulting in a chart-topping hit with widespread appeal. "Jump" has earned millions of streams and downloads worldwide since its release.
Created by Qaqaamba (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Qaqaamba (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
162 characters after adding an oxford comma, which I have added to the article title. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's rap and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's, dancehall? Qaqaamba (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Visuals[edit]

Hello again Coolmarc, thank you so much for improving this page, you the best. I just came across multiple articles about the music video review and that it amassed 2 million views in just two days, and I was thinking that's worth an inclusion in the article. Oh and an audio sample for Composition and non-free screenshot from the Music video wouldn't hurt I guess. Aiming for GA now haha. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was also thinking of expanding the Background section also but I wanted to hear you first. Thank you so much you the GOAT. dxneo (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! No problem. I am loving this song so much at the moment! Just ordered her CD! I will see if I can upload an audio tomorrow. Feel free to expand as well or share articles for the music video section! Cool Marc ✉ 21:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will add the sample and expand as much as I can. You Will do the touch ups I guess. She's amazing, I wanna work on "Truth or Dance" too, it got some potential I guess. Oh and thanks for the charts, I just saw the testcase, it's amazing. They should also add/test the South Africa Airplay (Radio chart). dxneo (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thank you! The Radio chart isn't notable. The streaming chart is what appears on the TOSAC website home page and the chart that's discussed in the media. Cool Marc ✉ 06:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Coolmarc, I'm really not one to engage in content disputes but this is getting annoying. On this revision, you stated that it's of unreliable sources but the sources have never been assessed anywhere including at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard as they are still white, so how did you reach the conclusion that they are unreliable? As I recall, the information on the lead and infobox must be verified in the body of the article, so why was the song length removed again?

On this revision, in your words you said "WP:SINGLENETWORK, not notable" although it states that "They may occasionally be mentioned in article prose if special circumstances warrant it." but since they are talking about "special circumstances" I'm gonna let it slide. On "Water" under Composition and lyrics, this source is cited twice, and it is similar to your "unreliable source" so is it also unreliable? Like I said, I hate edit wars, that's why I'm on the talk and not rollbacking your edits. dxneo (talk) 01:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that, Tyla said that part of the song was recorded in Jamaica when she was traveling. I don't see it anywhere in the article. dxneo (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unsure why you think these sites are reliable? They both give contradictory information about the song key. A song is not composed in 2 different keys. Songbpm is run by an upcoming app company called Blendist who say they are "a small team focused on building apps that help improve happiness and health" - this does not indicate reliability and appears to be WP:OR given that there is no evidence that this information on the website is provided by artist themself. Beatsource is a retailer site used by DJs. Similarly, does not indicate where they obtain the published key from. With regards to the TikTok and Spotify information, reaching #11 on a Billboard TikTok chart is nothing special. Likewise with 70 million streams on Spotify, hundreds of thousands of songs have achieved this and it's giving Spotify undue weight. Cool Marc ✉ 15:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tyla said in the interview the song was "ready" by the time she was in Jamaica but she felt something was missing and approached Skillibeng for a feature. According to the album liner notes, the only songs that were recorded in Jamaica were "Art", "On My Body" and "Priorities". Cool Marc ✉ 15:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Coolmarc, when information is from the artist you say is WP:PRIMARY, when it's from web sources you then seek validation from the artists. What's going on here? Please check the key from multiple sources and tell me if they are not saying the same thing. And again, does this source separate the writers? And before you tell me about the liner notes, remember they are all credited as songwriters on every streaming platform. And not every song has surpassed 70 million plays, if it's in the sources then it's worth an inclusion. You think the journalists would write about what's obvious? Stop reverting everything you do not agree with, it's okay to discuss it first. dxneo (talk) 17:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Beatsource claims the song key is in F minor while Songbpm says A♯/B♭. This is clearly WP:OR. This is not a case of WP:PRIMARY. This song is an original work composed and licensed by the artists and their publishing companies. They distribute the writing credits, the production credits, the sheet music with the relevant musical notation. Details regarding musical notation and published musical keys should come from the originally published work or be attributed towards it. Why would a random app company that "promotes health and happiness" or a retailer site for DJs be a reliable source for musical notation? If you really think they are reliable and this information is noteworthy for a popular music song then take it to WP:RSN. The definition of the word "alongside" is close to the side of; next to. You are thus implying Tyla and her team wrote "Jump" together with Gunna and Skillibeng. In the interview you linked above she mentioned that this was not the case, so it's misleading and false information. I am following WP:BRD and here we are discussing the "nonsencial issue". Cool Marc ✉ 18:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then find a way to list the songwriters accordingly, not some of them. And in South Africa, it's almost unheard of for songs to surpass 70 million streams. Hit songs like "Mnike" and "iPlan" certainly have not crossed that mark. If you work with us like this (discuss) and not just revert edits then I believe we will maintain a healthy relationship. Before I can remove your edit(s), I always consult with you since I know you are a formidable editor and wouldn't just make dummy edits, please do the same so we can find a way to move forward together Thank you for all your hard work. Wish to work with you in the future. dxneo (talk) 19:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's exhausting having to explain and do a back and forth constantly in the talk pages. I am following WP:BRD and explain in my edit summaries. I still feel 70 million streams is not noteworthy and that figure is going to become outdated fast anyway. I'm not sure what you mean by "Then find a way to list the songwriters accordingly, not some of them." That feels quite rude and abrupt. All of them are listed? Listing Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng twice in two consecutive sentences is repetitive, hence "the three artists". I don't see how the word "alongside" helps, it makes the sentence incorrect. Cool Marc ✉ 23:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay Coolmarc, I understand. You might find the following sources useful:
dxneo (talk) 00:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genre[edit]

Hi Cybertrip with regards to your recent edit to the genres. Referring to WP:EXPLICITGENRES, When classifying music, sources must explicitly attribute the genre to the work or artist as a whole and not use non-definitive language. The NME and Rolling Stone sources you refer to do not do this. NME says it "switches shuffling beats for a dancehall thump" - this is referring to the production/beat, not the song as a whole. Rolling Stone say Tyla is spitting dancehall bars. These sources do not describe the work as a whole as being dancehall, and this constitutes as WP:SYNTH.

This is why the Dancehall Mag and TOSAC sources are used as they both definitively call the song "a blend" of Afrobeats, dancehall and hip hop. Cool Marc ✉ 11:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Coolmarc: Totally behind you on the WP:EXPLICITGENRES front, but I must WP:IAR here in order to spread misinformation. Please kindly listen to any dancehall song (Shenseaa, Spice, Skillibeng) and tell me that Jump does not immediately sound like a primarily-dancehall song. Also never thought my edit would be such an awful disaster since the other blended genres are still very much there in the very same sentence. On a separate note, TOSAC and DancehallMag (a local WP:BLOG, I must note) are not as reliable as universally established music publications like NME and Rolling, which in turn are much less likely to explicitly define a song's genre since they naturally write reviews creatively and not-as-straightforward. Hope that kinda makes sense lol. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 11:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur Cybertrip. In my view, it also serves as a clear and typical example of Afro-fusion. However, there are no sources that explicitly state this, I wondered if we could make use of WP: MNA. Nevertheless, I chose to release the "theory". Qaqaamba (talk) 12:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cybertrip Dancehall Mag are not a blog per their About page. They are a legitimate publication covering Dancehall and Reggae music with paid editorial and staff writers working from an office in Jamaica. Regardless of how reputable NME and Rolling Stone are, they do not definitively call it a dancehall song. Cool Marc ✉ 12:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reckon Afrofusion should be included in the infobox along with any genres that are explicitly mentioned. If not, perhaps it could be included as a hatnote or in a/the See also section of the article ( but it certainly should find a place somewhere in accordance with the purpose of the encyclopedia). Qaqaamba (talk) 12:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that Coolmarc xx
Nit-picking and pedantry aside, if you brought together all the articles about "Jump," (including the TOSAC and DM that talk about the blend), the most referenced genre is "dancehall". In this way the majority of critics unanimously agree that it is first-and-foremost a dancehall song. So I think its fair for the article to reflect that too as per WP:MNA like Qaqaamba said. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 12:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No sources are calling it primarily a dancehall song though. What you are doing is original research and synthesis of sources, one of Wikipedia's most important policies. This is not Making necessary assumptions. Genres is an extremely sensitive subject and cannot just be assumed by users of an encyclopedia, it needs to be backed by sources that use non-definitive language. Cool Marc ✉ 12:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources explicitly specify a primary genre; instead, they stipulate or suggest a blend (crossover), which I reckon strongly implies or is hinting at Afrofusion. Given that it's a blend, in line with the encyclopedia's purpose, all explicitly mentioned blended genres should be acknowledged. As previously suggested, the inclusion of Afrofusion should be considered for the article. Qaqaamba (talk) 12:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Qaqaamba No that is firmly against Wikipedia policy. We do not synthesize sources on Wikipedia. Cool Marc ✉ 12:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP: MNA does not imply synthesis. The issue remains that no source specifies a primary genre, indicating that all genres should be mentioned. Including Afrofusion aligns with this principle. If there are any other concerns, it may be appropriate to request mediation through 30 or DR processes. Additionally, consistently engaging in "unecessary" debates or borderline edit wars with other editors is not a good look. Qaqaamba (talk) 12:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Qaqaamba I would suggest you properly familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies and what constitutes as an edit war. I'm not going to have another back and forth especially with an editor wanting to include a genre because they feel like it and without a source to back it up. Cool Marc ✉ 13:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest that you go outside and touch grass from time to time. Best regards. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK cool Coolmarc, great to know that the genre police are so devoted to making sure that the 13 people who will probably ever read this article are well-informed thanks to the opinions of renowned music connoisseurs sitting in the marketing team offices at the SA charts headquarters! —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 12:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a genre police or a marketing team from SA charts headquarters. I do not appreciate you making this personal assumption. Cool Marc ✉ 13:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cybertrip, just let him shape the article the way he sees fit. There's no way you can reason with him. I can bring up multiple sources describing the song as "dancehall inspired recording." He will still try to hide behind "WP:_." How can one compare a local blog and universally acclaimed music publications Facepalm Facepalm dxneo (talk) 13:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Dancehall inspired" is not the same as "primarily a dancehall song". I am not hiding behind Wikipedia policies. You guys are blatantly ignoring them. The sooner the policies of WP:SYNTH and WP:EXPLICITGENRES is grasped on this talk page. The better. I already mentioned at the start of this section, those universally acclaimed publications do NOT definitively call this primarily a dancehall song. You cannot use those sources to interpret otherwise. Cool Marc ✉ 13:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible that you overlooked the fact that I was the one who originally added Afrobeats based on sources. However, when it was altered, I didn't insist on its inclusion. Similarly, I created the article without the Oxford comma, and when it was added later, I didn't push for its removal. Why? Because it's important to recognize that nobody is infallible, and editing should not be approached from a singular viewpoint. Moving from the Tyla article to this one over a single comma and now over a single genre seems excessive. What will be the next issue? You appear to be repeatedly disrupting the article among camouflage "good contributions". You've even attempted harassing and intimidating me on my personal talk page. Moreover, article talk pages are not intended for extended discussions like a forum, a point that seems to be consistently overlooked, by you. This apparent trend of yours is becoming increasingly absurd. @Ss112 and @Launchballer please come and fetch your mate (if I am not mistaken), I am tired, fam 😭. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on content, not on the contributor. This is not a forum, this is a warranted discussion following the Wikipedia Bold, revert, discuss guideline. If you continue to lie and paint false narratives about me like this, I will be forced to consult an admin or WP:ANI. I never harassed or intimated you on your talk page. I asked you to revoke the drive-by Good Article nomination you made because you never significantly contributed to the article and are unfamiliar with the cited sources. Now you are here claiming we must call this song a totally unsourced genre because Wikipedia says we must "make necessary assumptions". Seriously?! Cool Marc ✉ 07:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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