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Help about writing and checking IPAs

Hello, can I ask question about International Phonetic Alphabet writing and checking? I have some official interview references about some people's name pronunciation(mainly Association football players), but I'm not used to writing IPA very well...:( Though I could learn some IPA writing techniques by looking Help:IPA articles and other IPA examples in people's Wikipedia articles, checking whether my IPA is correct or not is difficult based on my knowledge. Asking questions to users who know IPA very well by using User talk can be a way to solve my problem, but asking too many questions inside the User talk can be discourtesy to them.

Are there any Wikiprojects or pages(including Teahouse) which deal with IPA information and IPA questions?? As I'm not used to asking questions in English Wikipedia, I write the question in the Teahouse. Sorry for the inconvenience. --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 16:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

So, the big thing that's important to keep in mind is—unless you are working on linguistics articles, it's very likely we're working with phonemic notation (with /slashes/), not trying to be incredibly specific with the exact sounds an individual makes (with [brackets]). So, I would try leaning on the Help:IPA page relevant to whatever native language is spoken by the person (e.g. Help:IPA/French and work from there. Remsense诉 21:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense Thanks for the reply. Then are there any ways to check whether my IPA writing based on interview sources is correct or not?? Though looking the Help:IPA pages will be a great help, but putting the IPA letters together to form a IPA word and considering the Suprasegmentals between the letters is little bit difficult to handle by myself... --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 12:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Is there a reason you're doing this? This may be considered a bit CRUFTy, as a phonetic transcription of a particular idiolect is likely not encyclopedic, generally. Honestly, for most purposes you may be better going with {{respell}}: REM-sense may be more useful than /ˈrɛm.sɛns/ or [ˈɹ̠ɛm.sɛnts] Remsense诉 13:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

As I'm interested in phonemic information about people's names(especially Association football players), I usually contributed the IPA information in football player's articles. Not to disobey Wikipedia:Verifiability, I mainly used sources from authorized publishers. But I've never thought that inserting IPAs can be considered CRUFTy. My apologies if I disobeyed the Wikipedia policy. --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 15:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

It depends—the very first sentence of an article is precious real estate, and while I don't agree, a lot of editors think IPA is largely useless for a general readership and shouldn't be present outside of language or linguistics articles. I think it's important for a lot of non-English names, though. Remsense诉 15:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you about the importance and the opinion of IPA(especially the non-English names that I mainly contributed), but I didn't know how the IPA is generally considered inside the English Wikipedia as I'm new in here. Hmm... Maybe that subject is more complicated than I'd actually thought... --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 16:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, the point is that most readers don't know it as well as you or I do, so it's essentially taking up space and providing little information in the worst cases, but it's certainly a trade-off—there are issues with the respell approach also. See WP:LEAD and MOS:IPA. Remsense诉 16:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Our guideline is MOS:PRON which says "Pronunciation in Wikipedia should be transcribed using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), except in the particular cases noted below." and "For English words, transcriptions based on English spelling ("pronunciation respellings") such as prə-NUN-see-AY-shən (using ) may be used, but only in addition to the IPA.... For other languages, only the IPA is normally used." Using respelling without IPA is contrary to this guideline, as is using respelling for foreign words at all. CodeTalker (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I misspoke. Remsense诉 18:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@CodeTalker@Remsense I see... It seems that the answer I've been looking for is to ask for help to users who deals with IPA inside the articles is better than to look for the Wikiprojects or pages..... Thank you for the guidelines and the replys! --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 16:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

And thank you for your contributions! Cheers! Remsense诉 20:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Warning an IP user

Hello,

An IP user has made unnecessary changes to my sandbox. Luckily, an editor removed it for me (I didn't even realize until today, and gave he/she a barnstar for it.). The IP user also made unnecessary changes to the talk page of my sandbox. I had just removed it and gave them a warning at their talk page. I'm wondering what I should do now. Should I give the IP user a different warning again next time they vandalize?

Thank you.

Myrealnamm (talk) 01:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm: Welcome to the Teahouse. That's pretty much all you can do in the meantime. You can give them warnings increasing in severity if they persist, and if they accrue enough (usually with a 4th-level warning like {{subst:uw-vandalism4}}) you can bring it to the Administration intervention against vandalism board. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

You would typically increment by 1, starting from Template:uw-vandalism1, moving to uw-vandalism2, and so on till 4. If the edit is particularly egregious (extreme bigotry and such), I usually just skip to 4. If they vandalize after 4, report them to WP:AIV. It's worth noting this is a school IP so multiple users may see the message, not just the vandal. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 02:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Novo Tape. I didn't know it was a school IP. I know how frustrating it is when you find out you're actually talking to a group of people, not just one. Myrealnamm (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC). I'll keep sending notices to that user/group/ip if they continue doing things like that.

Whoops! Sorry the signature is at the middle of the message.

Plip!

Myrealnamm (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Myrealnamm, you'll get better at identifying school and other shared IPs over time. One giveaway is that most school IPs will receive warnings spaced out over several months or longer, whereas residential IPs tend to not have an extensive warning history. Additionally, I belive you get access to tools to identify the network subscriber once you're extended confirmed (maybe the access requirement is lower than EC, I'm not sure).Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 22:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

OK Myrealnamm (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Novo Tape: I mean, most of the time you can just click Geolocate or one of the RIRs links at the bottom of the IP's contributions page, even us IPs can do that.

For this one you can see that the ISP in Geolocate (or Costumer for the America RIR) is "Conseil scolaire de district catholique de lEst ontarien", which Google Translate says stands for "Eastern Ontario Catholic District School Board". – 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:7C82:2614:FB15:AFC8 (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Didn't realize IPs could do that (and apparently the requirement for the full tools is just autoconfirmed). Guess I also need a trouting. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 17:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Page view thumbnail not showing

I have 2 questions. I am editing a page called "Blanche Grant". I would like it to also show for "Blanche Chloe Grant" as well. Is this possible? The other question is why is her photo not displayed in a rollover "page view" like I see on other pages. Hdgknsn (talk) 02:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hdgknsn: Welcome to the Teahouse.

I am editing a page called "Blanche Grant". I would like it to also show for "Blanche Chloe Grant" as well. Is this possible?
— User:Hdgknsn 02:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by this. If you want to concurrently edit two different articles, just open the other one in a separate tab. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

If the artist is more commonly known as Blanche Chloe Grant rather than Blanche Grant, it may be appropriate to move the page to that title. Otherwise, you could create a redirect page at the title "Blanche Chloe Grant" that directs a reader to the aforementioned page. Reconrabbit 02:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

... and, Hdgknsn, the way to produce the redirect that Reconrabbit proposes is to click on the link "Blanche Chloe Grant", and, when you get there, to have it say simply #REDIRECT [[Blanche Grant]], and to save the result. -- Hoary (talk) 09:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hdgknsn, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see the photo when I hover over Blanche Grant, both on my computer and on my phone. How and on what are you looking at Wikipedia? In what circumstances don't you see it? ColinFine (talk) 12:05, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:Teahouse#Rollovers_on_wikipedia (below). I've created the redirect at Blanche Chloe Grant so all should now be OK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Featured article

Hi, I'm here to inquire about whether an article that has achieved featured article status is not subject to any changes later to the existing content (not talking about future developments obviously) after the status has been awarded, since it would have been extensively discussed already. Is there a rule guiding this principle? 456legendtalk 04:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

See the outline at WP:FAOWN. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. 456legendtalk 08:01, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Nikkimaria, I noticed you're a coordinator for featured article reviews. I wanted to ask if it would be appropriate to nominate the Hyderabad article for a change in the infobox design. The current infobox is inconsistent with many other city related articles, such as New York City, London, New Delhi, and Mumbai. I attempted to make the change, but it was reverted, with the editor stating that it is not a Wikipedia policy. However, I have observed that other articles use this format and I could not find any mention in the infobox project explicitly favoring a particular format. Additionally the editor who reverted my edit on and others on the Teahouse mentioned that since the article is a featured article, the infobox format might have already been discussed. However, I noticed that the article was nominated as a featured article many years ago. Could you please guide me on this matter? I have also initiated a discussion on the Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#City related articles infoboxes and informed related WikiProjects to participate in the discussion. Should I just wait for getting a concensus to have a fixed format design prescribed? If yes, then where else can I request for a discussion related to it. 456legendtalk 08:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

You have the option to open a request for comment either on the Manual of Style page (if you want to propose a change to what it says) or specifically on the article talk page (if you just want to arrive at a consensus on what that one article should do), in order to bring in additional viewpoints. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:PGAME

What is the appropriate way of handling or reporting someone who is clearly gaming the system to get higher user levels?
And no, the user has not yet made an edit requiring higher permission levels. – 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:B594:C013:3E0E:888D (talk) 05:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP user. It would be helpful if you told us the user in question so we could tell you if it's an example of WP:GAMEing or not. If it's an urgent matter or is a chronic, intractable behavioral problem, then WP:ANI is your best bet. ‍ Relativity 05:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Sure, this user: Infrabel1. Their only contributions have been to welcome users, and to respond to things on their talk page (one of which was a question about protected pages asked by a now blocked sock puppet). – 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:B594:C013:3E0E:888D (talk) 05:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

User:Infrabel1 has been asked on Talk page to stop posting welcomes on talk pages of new accounts.— Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 06:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)^<diff>

Hm. So the correct thing to do would have been to warn them? But it also wasn't a warning for attempted permission gaming... – 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:B594:C013:3E0E:888D (talk) 08:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes when the majority of an editor's activity doesn't contribute to the encyclopedia, they may be warned for possibly being not here to build an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

forgot password

Hello. I forgot the password of the καταραμένος όφις (talk | contribs) account, which I created about a month ago. The account has zero edits and I have logged in once or twice since I created it. Can the password be reset? 81.186.86.83 (talk) 08:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP Editor- if you didn't add an email to your account then I am afraid you will not be able to recover the password. Since you had no edits I would suggest just creating a new account. Qcne (talk) 09:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

User:καταραμένος όφις has not specified a valid email address. You can create a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

My Impact Not Showing

On my homepage on mobile, it shows the amount of edits that I have made but my impact always shows as 0.

I love seeing statistics of how much my contributions have impacted Wikipedia and it's a shame that it says 0 all the time. I'm wondering how I can fix this. MrBauer24 (talk) 11:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@MrBauer24: What do you mean by Impact? Where do you see such score? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 12:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Oooo, I got this one. It's a newcomer thing that someone mentioned when it was last asked. You can read a bit about it at WP:GTF#Newcomer homepage, and you can turn that on in special:preferences#user profile. Should be right at the bottom. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

As for this, I'm not really sure what the issue could be. I'd personally use MW:Xtools and check individual pages for their analysis for the time being. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, some tools are only enabled for people creating new accounts, and some tools are for big dorks like you and I. It takes all sorts! Remsense诉 12:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I am trying this Wikipedia homepage now, and it has suggested articles to edit, and it could be good for everyone. I never knew of this feature. Wikipedia should promo/ advertise it more. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 12:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I could very easily be wrong but I think it is enabled automatically for new users, either that or it's an opt-in sort of thing. It's pretty cool regardless and would be really useful to keep both new and old users motivated.

Much like you, I hadn't even heard of it before either this week or last. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@MrBauer24 Although you have been editing since 2013, the newcomer homepage should work for you like anyone else who activates it through Special:Preferences (at the bottom). The "impact" part should show your total edits (currently 908) and various other details. If your mobile homepage isn't doing that, this is probably a bug and I suggest that you initially give details (maybe a screenshot?) at WP:VPT. Not all new accounts get the homepage tab activated because we are a bit short of mentors, who are assigned to each newcomer. Any Teahouse regular who would like to sign up for mentorship to be a mentor can do so at Special:EnrollAsMentor. See my Talk Page for the sorts of questions that newcomers ask, although they are under no obligation to use a mentor and many just ask questions here at the Teahouse. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@MrBauer24: Does it work when you click "Desktop" at the bottom of the page? I see results at Special:Impact/MrBauer24, except the last two articles currently have a clock icon. Clicking it says "Pageviews have not yet been calculated. Check back tomorrow!" PrimeHunter (talk) 15:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Yay that works! Thank you :) MrBauer24 (talk) 17:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Conflict of interest?

If I create an article about a language that I am native in, and the language is not self-made, is it considered a conflict of interest? Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that would create a COI as long as you are not trying to promote that language, and as long as you can cite reliable sources of course. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Rollovers on wikipedia

Below, if you put your cursor over either form of the name Bert Phillips, you will see the same popup with photo come up.

Bert Geer Phillips ------------ Bert G. Phillips

I would like this to work for my artist.

Blanche Grant ----------- Blanche Chloe Grant

As you can see the second form of her name the rollover doesnt work. Also, for some reason the photo of her doesnt show either. Does anybody know how to fix either of these two issues? Hdgknsn (talk) 13:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

In the first case, Bert G. Phillips is a WP:REDIRECT to Bert Geer Phillips. That means link to the redirect is nearly synonymous with a link to the target of the redirect. Notice that the redirect is also a bluelink (clicking on either of the Phillips links gets you to the article), whereas Blanche Chloe Grant is red. You would want to create it as a redirect to Blanche Grant. DMacks (talk) 13:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hdgknsn I've created the redirect, so you'll now see the popup in both cases for Grant. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hdgknsn: The page preview feature requires an image in the lead where width × height for the original upload is either at least 320 × 200 px or 203 × 250 px. Blanche Grant displays File:Blanche C. Grant.jpg which is only 130 × 190 px. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I use navigation popups which don't seem to suffer from that limitation, as I see the images perfectly well from the article or redirect title. Maybe Hdgknsn does too? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

The default preview feature is mw:Page Previews which doesn't show an image for Blanche Grant. Page Previews uses mw:Extension:PageImages but rejects some images like here where the article does have a page image. Navigation popups is much older than both those features and selects an image by itself. Unregistered users, meaning nearly all readers, cannot use Navigation popups. Registered users have to enable it to replace Page previews. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:38, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I should be able to fix that! Hdgknsn (talk) 16:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much Hdgknsn (talk) 16:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Help! My edits have been removed.

I work for an organization and was asked to update our page. I did so and received a message that it appeared I am a paid editor, and updates were overwritten. I followed the instructions to add a paid template to my talk page four days ago but no administrator has reinstated my edits. How do I manage this? TIA. Penfaulkner (talk) 13:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi User:Penfaulkner,

The edit of yours was also identified as "promotional". And looking at it, I agree. There is definitely no way what you wrote can be accepted. See WP:NPOV/WP:TONE. If you have specific changes in mind, feel free to propose them at Talk:PEN/Faulkner Foundation. That way you get the benefit of dispassionate input from editors who do not have a conflict of interest. Be sure to tell your boss to read WP:BOSS. DMacks (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

PenFaulkner Just because you have declared "Paid" does not mean your edits will be restored. As noted above, you must propose additions on the Talk page. A independent editor will either implement or reject. Rather than all-at-once, make a series of smaller proposals. To bring each proposal to the attention of an editor, start a new Talk section. Put edit COI inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top. In the section specify the exact wording of what you wanted added, along with properly formated references. David notMD (talk) 14:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

NO NAME DROPPING! The article already has Wikilinks to articles that list award winners. Also, NO MISSION STATEMENT! Wikipedia does not care what an organization says about itself. An External link to the org website is sufficient. David notMD (talk) 14:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I have soft blocked the editor for a username violation which can easily be corrected. Cullen328 (talk) 18:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

info boxes

Hi I have a question relating to info Boxes (the boxes at the bottom of pages that provide lists). I find them very useful to organize study, however, they seem to get moved around and and I often have to dig around to find sets of them that provide a complete list that relates to the subject I am studying. I usually tend to find them after a quick search but I am having difficulty finding one at the moment, I'm not sure if has moved or has disappeared/changed etc. is there a way to find/list all of these boxes that relate to a particular subject? The info box I am looking for grouped bacteria in gram -ve and gram +ve. The Pseudomonadota page has an info box at the bottom of the page titled 'Pseudomonadota-associated Gram-negative bacterial infections'. This box has a greenish colour indicating sub-catagories. I am sure there were a number of boxes like this that I can no longer see. I have tried flicking through to find other boxes with this format (they may relate to pathology rather than taxonomy or both). Being able to list these type of info boxes that relate to bacteria might be useful. Can you help with this? Many thanks Frank Fgodman14 (talk) 13:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fgodman14, is Category:Infectious disease templates any help? See also the categories at the bottom of that page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fgodman14: They are called Category templates, infoboxes are those boxes at top right where you get information like are/ population/ capital in a country's article. Regards, ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Fgodman14 did not describe category templates but navigation templates. They usually have a bold v at the top left which links to their own page like Template:Gram-negative proteobacterial diseases. The bottom of such pages often have a category link like Category:Infectious disease templates where you may find similar templates. By the way, I have been here since 2005 and your post is the first time ever I hear large reader interest in navigation templates. I made many myself, not about biology but your interest is nice to hear. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Identifying Orphan article

How do you identify if an article is orphan? Is there any tool for it? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor You can use the "What links here" tool menu which in WP:VECTOR22 is to the right of the article text. No links from other articles = orphan. Note that there might be links from Talk Pages etc. that wouldn't count. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

.... note that there is a template {{orphan}} already applied to ~60,000 articles. So, if you just want to find a few orphans, you can use the same tool to list them from the template's page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks, appreciate the clarification. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor There is also Category:All orphaned articles! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Are these categories/ templates auto updated (like if an article is no more orphan, the template gets removed by bot) or is it done manually? If it's done manually, there shall be lot of errors which could be corrected. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: To my knowledge the maintenance tag is added manually, so it has to also be removed the same way. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: Editors can work manually on Wikipedia:Database reports/Orphans with incoming links, and JL-Bot automatically removes many orphan templates per User:JL-Bot#Non-Applicable Orphan Templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

i need help with a new article

it is going to be on hannah kabel, the twitch girl

thanks!

luna<3 Luna8721 (talk) 17:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts here to advise, not to co-author. On your Talk page, you have been pointed to WP:YFA. For a living person bio, find your references first, and then only write what is verified by refs. See WP:42 for what are valid refs. Work on getting a draft approved before spending time on finding an image (images do not factor into getting a draft approved). David notMD (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Luna8721, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It's great that you want to contribute to Wikipedia; but in my experience, editors who try the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent a significant amount of time learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles, usually have a miserable and frustrating time.

By my count, you have made five edits to main space (two of which I have undone, because I don't think they were appropriate).

That is a good start, but you have not yet engaged with the major Wikipedia policies which will arise in creating a new article: notability, verifiability, reliable sources, and neutral point of view. I earnestly advise you to forget about creating a new article for a few months, while you broaden the range of your edits and learn about those crucial ideas and how they work in Wikipedia.

Then, you can read your first article, and set about finding sources (which is absolutely the first and most important part of creating an article. ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Mon article Raynald Leclerc

Bonjour Selon mon expérience de WIKI ce brouillon non terminé ne peut pas vraniment être refusé car il a été approuvé dans la section francaise il y a déjà 3 ans ....sauf erreur Je suis éditeur de ce résumés de biographie ou énumération de la carrière de cet artiste Il y a aucune intention de promouvoir mais de plutot démontrer l'évolution du travail de cet artiste tout simplement toujoursvivant Ce que j'essais de faire actuellement c'est de disposer un article semblable dans la section (en) de wiki Une version retrouvable en anglais pour les gens vivant aux USA, car eux ne penseront pas le rechercher dans la section francaise automatiquement. Est ce possible de disposer un miroir de l'Article déjà fait dans cette section pour m'éviter de tout refaire je suis à redisposer les réféfrences .....et c'est assez long merci

la version anglophone a été vérifiée et corrigée par M.William Berg vivant à Boston. Merci de votre aide.

Cordialement Daniel Laquerre Quebec city Daniel LAQ (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Daniel LAQ: Bienvenue à Wikipedia en anglais. Si vous cherchez Wikipedia en français, c'est ici. Autrement, faites les commentaires en anglais ici, s'il-vous-plaît. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Bonjour. Veuillez lire WP:translation. Chaque version de Wikipedia a ses propres règles et polices, et ceux ne sont toujours pas le même. Si un article soit accepté par l'une version, ça ne veut pas dire que sa traduction serait accepté par l'autre.

I will continue in English, because I don't think my French is good enough for the next bit.

The most obvious problem with your draft Draft:RAYNALD LECLERC was the formatting, and I have improved that. But the much much more important and fundamental problem is with the sources. Much of it - and especially the biography - is unsourced; and it looks to me if many of your sources are not independent of Leclerc.

Writing an article in English Wikipedia begins with finding independent reliable sources that discuss the subject in some depth, and then continues with writing a summary of what those sources say. An article, especially about a living person should contain not one single piece of information which is not in a published source; and few pieces of information which are not in independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Citations / List of works by translator, to include or not to include "|translator=" metadata?

For a page for a person that is most notably known for translating books, is listing works translated by that person - should the "|translator=" metadata be included, or would it be implied?

Here is one page where it is not included - Anton Hur ("|translator=" is left blank)

Here is another page where it is included - Max Lawton

I have created the second page and was unclear if this would be repetitive, or if it is better to include for data structure. ty! Lacanic (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there @Lacanic! In that specific case, I would probably say no, as it is implied that the translator is... well... the translator you're talking about . If you are using that somewhere else, though, a good rule of thumb is to fill all the metadata you can, but in that specific case you can leave it blank. Feel free to let me know if I can help with anything else. Have a great day/night! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

✨ I've updated by removing that on the page. Thank you for the offer on help, could you let me know if you think there are any other suggestions to the page or give it a review? Lacanic (talk) 16:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Excellent! I tidied up some things here and there. I won't review it myself because I've ever so slightly been involved with it, but eventually someone else will review it. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 17:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

😌 Great, ty! Lacanic (talk) 17:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

English Article of Raynald Leclerc ( English version)

Hello According to my experience of WIKI this unfinished draft cannot really be refused because it was approved in the French section already 3 years ago....unless I am mistaken I am the editor of this curriculum vitae or list of this person's career. artist There is no intention to promote but rather to demonstrate the evolution of the work of this artist who is simply still alive. What I am trying to do currently is to have a similar article in the (en) section of wiki A version that can be found in English for people living in the USA, because they will not think to automatically search for it in the French section. Is it possible to have a mirror of the Article already done in this section to avoid having to redo everything I am re-arranging the references.....and it's quite long thank you

the English version was checked and corrected by Mr. William Berg living in Boston. Thank you for your help. Daniel LAQ (talk) 20:05, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Daniel LAQ. The French Wikipedia and the English Wikipedia are completely separate projects, with their own guidelines and policies. The English Wikipedia has the strictest guidelines and policies.

I declined your draft as it reads like an extract from his autobiography. This isn't how an English Wikipedia article should read: instead your text should simply be neutral summaries or paraphrases of reliable sources that discuss Raynald. You will need to re-write your text to be in line with our neutral point of view rules.

You also have a conflict of interest with Raynald, as you obviously know him. You therefore need to declare this by following the instructions at WP:COI. Qcne (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

As it's a translation of the article on frwiki, it's also my understanding that it needs an attribution to the original text, WP:TFOLWP has an example of this (by happy coincidence, also for an article from frwiki)

The enwiki pov guide can also be read at WP:NPOV Shaws username . talk . 23:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Photos ( IMAGES )

FYI

 – Merging to section above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Bonjour et merci

J'ai pas trop de problème avec la disposition effectivement c'est assez simple, mais le systeme me refuse de les disposer. Voilà pourquoi je vous pose la question. J'ai eu beau les renommer elles ne sont pas acceptées car reconnues comme des doublons. Le but est simple : Disposer une version ( EN) du contenu ( FR )

Merci de votre aide et contribution. Daniel Daniel LAQ (talk) 14:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Good morning I am trying to arrange the photos (already present in WIKI COMMONS) in my English version, which come from the French version and they are rejected. So is it possible to re-arrange them automatically by the article checkers? THANKS Daniel LAQ (talk) 20:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Daniel LAQ, no software or human is going to read your mind and format Draft:RAYNALD LECLERC accordingly. But photographs are a relatively simple matter. Whereas fr:Raynald Leclerc (being part of fr:Wikipedia) has Fichier:, Draft:RAYNALD LECLERC (being part of en:Wikipedia) needs to have File:. (I'm assuming here that you're editing the "source code"; I know nothing about the "visual editor".) -- Hoary (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

How to archive and bring into the public domain materials which might be of public interest

Hi, I am an inexperienced editor and have dabbled around in the talk pages of various articles rather than editing them directly for the past few years (without an account until now). I have a very unique question which I haven't received a good answer to until now.

I have thousands of pages of memos and emails, as well as leaflets, sermon audio, and "recruitment videos" from a "new religious movement" (article at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Assemblies_International), and I think it would be in the public interest to bring these into the public domain. I would hope that this might remove hurdles for respected specialists such as anthropologists (or indeed “church watchers” at the like of Christianity Today, the Roys Report, or MinistryWatch) to have access to this information. And perhaps one day for Wikipedians to be able to cite any commentary from these respected specialists in its article, just as it has already cited an important journalistic investigation on the group.

So is there any pathway for me to make use of these documents with the aim of making the world a better or more knowledgeable place (which will ultimately benefit Wikipedia of course)? For example, is there any way to archive the documents in such a way that their authenticity can be verified by a reputable organization and they can enter the public domain, so they are discoverable via Google search or by searching academic databases?

Also, I think it is simply beyond me to judge the importance of the documents, whether I am overestimating myself etc, so it would be nice to get some feedback in this regard. Are my concerns legitimate and worthwhile, or am on a fool's errand with these documents, like Don Quixote charging at windmills. Therefore please see the following Google Drive link to get a feel for some of the more interesting documents etc. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1On5nu70ix6S0loLODmmQjusYsyESlP7x?usp=drive_link Just to warn you, the way I framed the memos etc in the cover letter for the "Letters Memos Statements Communications" document might be overly emotional. I wrote it a few years ago but would probably write it different now, and it wouldn't be an issue for me to change any presentation of the issue to make it less emotional. I crossposted a question similar to this one in the talk page of the semi-active WikiProject on Anthropology yesterday. OverthinkingNovice (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia wouldn't host it, OverthinkingNovice, for any of several reasons. Where else could it legitimately be hosted? That's not a question for Wikipedia -- not here in the "teahouse", of course, but also not even for any of the "reference desks". You'd better ask an organization that publicizes religions. Though as this material can be presumed to be copyright, perhaps you'd better get legal opinion first. -- Hoary (talk) 21:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary I won't post more questions like this. The advantage here is that lots of people view my question, and these people are generally conscientious and not squeamish and actually click on the link in order to consider what I'm talking about. It's actually really hard contacting people about this via email, it usually results in no reply for any of many reasons. I can always re-word and improve the emails and try somebody else but to me it resembles an unsolvable puzzle, nobody is keen to give advice, they don't know who to refer me on to, and they don't give me feedback on how to improve my procedure or overarching goal either. I've already done plenty of this in the late 2010s, and it leads to numerous dead ends. On the whole it's been a massive waste of time for me.

I actually have an idea of where to seek free legal advice, possibly at the local affiliate of the Electronic Frontiers Foundation.

But I'm still completely in the dark as to which (if any) organisations would publicise religion and host searchable online archives of documents from the sort of organisation that might have copyright claims. Any pointers?

(inform.ac/archive-and-database/ might be maintaining offline archives, but to my mind that's almost pointless because they wouldn't be searchable, would be more difficult to cite, and is not in the public domain as such.) OverthinkingNovice (talk) 23:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

"Make publicly available" and "bring into the public domain" mean two very different things. For the first, I would suggest making an account on archive.org and posting stuff there.

For the second, you would need major changes in legislation and international agreements. DS (talk) 13:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Article Review Timeline

I am facing a dilemma. I have drafts written in October last year (when the backlog was 600) that are yet to be reviewed. In the same vain, i have articles that I wrote recently that got approval in less than 24 hours. I will like to understand this confusing dynamic? Is it a first in, first out or last in, last out approach? Or are articles reviewed randomly.

Also which submission process is faster, submission via AFC or submission for review via Page Curation triage and what are the key differences between the two. Heatrave (talk) 23:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Each reviewer reviews what they wish to review. As an illustration of a non-review, I see your Draft:Golden Boy (Kidi album) (which is only a week or two old) and want to decline it as it fails to summarize any commentary from reliable sources on the album and therefore fails to demonstrate notability; but I shan't do so as I'm not familiar with the expectations made of articles about pop music and (sorry, but) can't now be bothered to read up on these. One idea: When people wait an inordinately long time for a review, it sometimes turns out that they forgot to submit the draft in question. Are you sure that you've done this? -- Hoary (talk) 00:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Heatrave: there is nothing older than 8 weeks in the AfC pool, AFAIK. Can you link to your draft(s) submitted in October? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Samad Davis is an article that was created in December. It has not been reviewed. I think the October one has been approved. But I have observed that articles I wrote or submitted during the holidays are yet to be reviewed, whereas some of the recent articles have received a review. Heatrave (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

The article Samad Davis was never submitted for review. It was in Draftspace for only a short while until you moved it to Mainspace yourself on 29 January. Consequently I don't understand why you expect it to be reviewed at all. Please specify and link to any other drafts you believe should be reviewed, only then can we assist or advise you about them Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I wrote an article but was declined due to lack of references

I wrote a paper last year about physics and matter, and I believe that it's an idea/paper worth sharing. I'm the sole writer, do I reference myself? How do I go about getting out there? I am not affiliated with any academic institution. It is simply a hobby and passion of mine. It seems almost impossible to publish anything anywhere if you don't have some sort of affiliations or connections. Thank you for your help. My paper can be found at my website: https://ypari.com/?blog=1&id=3&title=Theory%20of%20Zot%20Particles

Wikipedia page: Draft:Theory of Zot Particles

Thank you for your help! Balldrin (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Balldrin Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Unfortunately Wikipedia is not a publisher, and so we cannot publish your paper. If you have published your paper on a scientific journal, it may be cited in a different article.

Your paper says The zot is a fundamental unit of matter that constitutes more than 98% of the universe. It is ubiquitous in the universe as a building block for all matter. From a physics point of view, this is not yet a mainstream theory, and still requires some amount of notability (see WP:GNG) to have its own article. The bottomline is, I don't think it is the time for your concept to have it's own article. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 23:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather, hello and thank you for your feedback. I appreciate your input and completely agree with you. Cheers! Balldrin (talk) 00:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Balldrin There are plenty of alternatives to Wikipedia, including many which use the MediaWiki software that Wikipedia uses. Of course, which ones are suitable depends on the nature of your content. In all seriousness, I suggest one of the "uncyclopedia" wikis. The ones I am aware of are uncyclopedia.co, uncyclopedia.com, and uncyclopedia.org. Fabrickator (talk) 02:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Margaret Noodin

I understand the basics of creating and editing pages and know that I cannot edit a page about me. However, in the past year I have experienced extremely biased harassment which was fueled in part by an incomplete news story and continued to the point that my page now states some very false things about me. How can I get my page corrected? For instance, this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Noodin says that I no longer work for the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee but in fact I am still a professor there and am teaching a class now which can be independently corroborated here: https://catalog.uwm.edu/course-search/?srcdb=2242&keyword=Noodin I tried to simply ignore the bullying for a while but I would like to do something now if I can. I am currently the Head Start director for the Grand Portage Band of Chippewa Indians and part-time instructor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. These are facts. I have done nothing wrong other than have undocumented ancestors. Please let me know if you can help. Zongide'e (talk) 02:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear you're suffering such problems; harrassment and false representations seem to be unavoidable for anyone in the public eye these days.

Regarding our article about you:

Any false or contentious statements (and if you deny them, they're contentious) that are not cited to an (apparently) reliable source can and should be removed, even by yourself. Be sure if you do to explain why in the Edit summary.

A source which is incorrect through being outdated can be replaced by an up-to-date one and the text corrected in accordance with it, and,

a statement you regard as false, but which is cited to an apparently reliable source, can be counterbalanced by adding an equally reliable source contradicting it and allowing the readers to compare them; if a preponderance of the latter make it evident that the statement is false, then the better-cited 'true' (actually, verifiable) statement can be substituted – it would be better if, rather than carrying out such edits yourself, you requested them on the article's Talk page by detailing the exact change(s) required, giving links or bibliographic details of the sources, and adding an edit request template to attract a disinterested editor's attention. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.44.161 (talk) 04:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Zongide'e More detail about what you can/should do at Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I appreciate the reply. 192.234.247.97 (talk) 18:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Diminutives/nicknames for breeds in articles.

I couldn't find anything on this in the Manual of Style: what is the policy/usage of diminutive/nicknames in articles? e.g.: lab for Labrador Retriever or frenchie for French Bulldog. Personally I don't see these as being encyclopaedic but many articles on breeds do use nicknames instead of the formal/official name. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

It might be appropriate to mention such nicknames once in an article, for informational purposes, and of course any direct quotes used should not be altered, but in general the formal breed name should be used to maintain WP:Encyclopedic tone. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.,230.195} 176.24.44.161 (talk) 04:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Those nicknames are usually mentioned in the infobox but some articles do contain the nicknames in the article itself. Thanks for the comment. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Traumnovelle Talk:Staffordshire_Bull_Terrier/Archive_5#Shortform? touches on this a little. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

My view of the matter is that stating once with a reference to an indisputably reliable source that "frenchie" is a widely used nickname for the French Bulldog is appropriate. Referring to the breed as "frenchie" elsewhere throughout the body of the article is not appropriate. We write encyclopedia articles here, not blog or social media posts. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Local History, Northeast Tennessee

Tiger Valley, Tennessee Appalacian11 (talk) 04:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Appalacian11: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Appalacian11, are you planning to add to the tiny little stub about Tiger Valley in Wikipedia? Hope so — it's one of the many delightful places in your state. Augnablik (talk) 05:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Assigning Wikidata item ID to a page

The page for plum butter is/was connected to Powidl. Powidl (or variations thereof) is what plum butter is called in some Central European countries (Czechia, Austria, Poland), but we do have a name in English for it: plum butter. My guess is the reason Powidl and plum butter get connected sometimes is because plum butter doesn't have its own Wikidata item ID. How can I give it one? Or, if I can't, is there any admin who can? Once it has a Wikidata item ID, then I can connect it with its correspondents in other languages like de:pflaumenmus, fr:Beurre de prune, ro:Magiun de prune, etc. (I won't mess with Asian languages because I don't know any of those, so any help there would be greatly appreciated) ♦ WikiUser70176 ♦^{(My talk page)} 13:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

To my limited knowledge, all Wikipedia articles have Wikidata entries. On the en-wiki skin I use, the Tools menu on the right has an link called Wikidata item. Thus, the Wikidata entries for Plum butter is d:Q124727156 and Powidl is d:Q256622. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@WikiUser70176 A bot created the Wikidata for plum butter just a couple of days ago. Whether the article should be merged with Powidl is another matter. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! ♦ WikiUser70176 ♦^{(My talk page)} 16:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Citations vs Sources vs References

Hi, what is the difference between a citation, source, and reference? Take for example the article, Treaty of Versailles. This has both a citations section and a sources section. Now take for example Napolean Bonaparte. This has a citations section and a references section. And finally, take a look at something like World War II. It has a citations section and a references section, but the references are formatted differently!!

What's the difference and why is it so inconsistent? Coulomb1 (talk) 13:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Coulomb1 There are several accepted ways to describe to readers the source of the information given in Wikipedia articles (see this policy). The citation provides the link between the source used and the text: it is a synonym for a reference. See WP:CITE for the full details and the major methods in use. Good-quality articles will consistently use one style but there is no enforced consistency between articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Version ( En ) de Raynald Leclerc

Hello to who refused my initial content submitted on March 1st. I'm trying to understand a little.....?? Would the support (En) be more demanding or more important and sophisticated than the editorial level of the Fr. support? I don't think you can imagine the time that my colleague Robert Filion and I spent on it to finalize it in French....to the directive of our WIKI fr advisors! We are not in conflict of interest with this artist, Mr. Filion, Mr. Gelinas and I have been present for him since almost the beginning of his career in support of him and we worked according to the advice of your colleagues to register a neutral text. Of course this text is a part of his biography, we cannot re-invent a personal biography of a person. This provision of this text is completely neutral and is not intended to promote it; it is the role of art galleries to play this role. We are not resellers and we do not play this role.

The advice we had in constructing this content was to confirm the veracity of simple facts with the citation of genuine third party (other) external sources to express the work of the artist which was done, Mr. William Berg of Boston quoted Mr. Leclerc in his specialized written work on light expressed in artistic works and the particularity of this Canadian artist.

The role I play is to ensure that historical information about the artist remains existing with the website created for them. You should know that all articles published in magazines are often archived and/or deleted.

Of course we have indicated what distinguishes this artist in his rendering With facts and historical notes, that's it

Can you indicate to us where is not very weel writed ? Please give me some examples ?

Thanks a lot for your help. Daniel LAQ (talk) 14:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Daniel LAQ On the English Wikipedia, the main hurdle is that all articles must establish that their subject is wikinotable. To do that, we need several sources that are reliable, independent and with significant coverage, as summarised at this page. Hence what the artist says about himself on his own website is insufficient: it is not independent. In addition, by our policy for biographies of living people, all facts must be backed up by inline citations to reliable sources. I don't see these sources for large parts at the beginning of the draft. Sources don't have to be online, so I don't understand your comment about magazines are often archived and/or deleted. You can cite old hard-copy magazines using a template such as {{cite magazine}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Collin,You told me that Raynald Leclerc's biography had no reference so I added the reference to the Bio placed on the website of the international art gallery which is its official agentI didn't want anything placed as a link to a commercial place.....Then his parents died there are no sources Except ah! of course his sister who is also a person who evolves in the world of Art. Can I use it too? What do you think? Daniel LAQ (talk) 15:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

If there are no published independent sources about him, then there cannot be an article. ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, Daniel. I'm afraid that the time you spent is of no consequence to English Wikipedia. An article must satisfy the policies of English Wikipedia, which may not be the same as French Wikipedia.

It is a common experience of people who attempt to create an article in English Wikipedia without first learning about policies such as verifiability, reliable sources, independent sources and notability, that they have a frustrating and miserable time. Often they put in a lot of work, and it is all wasted, because they did not begin by determining whether or not the subject satisfied English Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

You do indeed have a conflict of interest, in that you have an association with the subject, and so may find it difficult to write with a suitably neutral point of view; you may also be tempted to insert information which is not in the independent sources that you cite.

Reliably published material by Mr William Berg of Boston may be relevant (unless he also is associated with Leclerc). But whether he looked at your draft or not is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia.

A Wikipedia article (at least in English Wikipedia) is a summary of what independent reliable sources say about the subject, nothing more. Your own knowledge about Leclerc is irrelevant, except insofar as it enables you to find suitable sources. Nothing said, written, published, or commissioned by Leclerc, his associates, his agents, or his galleries, is of any relevance to the article unless it has been commented on by an independent commentator, ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for help adding reliable sources to contentious article

I have tried to add reliable sources to the article Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Israeli_attack_on_Gaza). The sources cited were NYT, Guardian, and Reuters. These sources were removed and I was warned that the NYT is not reliable.

The article lacks neutral reliable sources and it appears impossible to add them.

In addition, one of the extremely active editors then posted on my own talk page, warning me that my account would be blocked.

I do not feel able to add sources to this article given the manner in which it is edited, but I think that in the interest of neutrality and accuracy it is important to do so.

I would be most grateful if an experienced editor could look at the edit history of the page in question and suggest a way forward.

Thank you Eli185.2 (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Have you considered trying to discuss it at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I will try to discuss improving the article by adding accurate information with reliable sources from a neutral point of view on the article's talk page, but, frankly, given what I've observed thus far, I'm not optimistic. Eli185.2 (talk) 09:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey ummm the giraffe article does not include the one with no spots

? Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

? ltbdl (talk) 17:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Dr Jackson is not rweal You have already commented at Talk:Giraffe, which is the correct venue. That's a featured article with over 400 watchers, so someone who is interested should respond soon. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

K thxs Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 01:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Duryea Museum

How do I add The Duryea Museum to the single artist site? JayneDuryea (talk) 17:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@JayneDuryea I don't understand your question. Wikipedia has an article Duryea Motor Wagon Company but not one on the Duryea Museum. Even if there was such an article, what would that have to do with artists? Please clarify. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I think the OP wants to add a mention of [1] to Single-artist museum. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Or possibly List of single-artist museums. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@JayneDuryea, do I understand it correctly that you want to add your museum at List of single-artist museums? The inclusion criteria for that list is that either the artist or the museum has a WP-article already, and afaict by a quick googling, neither subject meets the requirements of the WP:NOTABILITY policy atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes! A Single-artist Museum. JayneDuryea (talk) 20:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Of course, google doesn't know all. Some interesting hits on ProQuest, but no WP:N-jackpot. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Infobox civil conflict vs civilian attack

Is there any guidance on when to use Template:Infobox civil conflict vs. Template:Infobox civilian attack? I'm having trouble discerning a logical, consistent pattern in their usage across many articles. Brusquedandelion (talk) 17:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

The first is intended to be used to summarize information about a particular civil conflict (for example, protest, strike, clash with police) in a standard manner, as specified in the template's documentation. The latter is to be used when there is an attack on a civilian community (for example, a bombing). I hope that makes sense to you! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Image thing

i uploaded the logo for mondaq as an image, its not copyrighted per WP:LOGOS but its way too big, is there any way I can shrink it down so I can use it for the Mondaq articles infobox? Tw294 (talk) 19:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Tw294, using the "logo" parameter of the infobox should size it appropriately. If you want to tweak it further, I'd recommend the "logo upright" parameter, which scales the image larger or smaller depending on if the number entered is greater or less than 1. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tw294, welcome to the Teahouse. You can just give Mondaqlogo.png alone with no image code as the logo parameter, and the infobox will automatically set a suitable size. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Articles getting tag of WP:COI

I joined Wikipedia sometime ago for the purpose of learning and contribution, and I have learned a lot. Few hours ago, a new editor, had started to tag a series of pages I have contributed to with WP:COI, two of them are pages that I have created, S/he/they have also nominated one of my article for deletion. (Which I will respond to in accordance with Wikipedia policies.)

I have always find the community supportive and helpful, and I have always been grateful for it. I have tried my best to follow the Wikipedia guidelines and norms to the letter. However, I do know that I have a lot to learn, is there something that I have done wrong? how can I prove something that doesn't exists? That is me having COI with any of my contributions? I can use some help. Thank you.

P.S. the pages are Jim Kalafat, and Bettina Rodriguez Aguilera. Other page are on which I had edited on. All are tagged by the same editor. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ms.Aloisia, welcome to Teahouse. I've seen the edits by the user and they are a bit concerning, but it is important to assume good faith. The majority of the time these conflicts are caused by a misunderstanding between two people with the same goal: to improve Wikipedia. I would recommend you start a discussion on the Talk page for the other editor so we can all figure out why they are making these changes to so many articles. Mokadoshi (talk) 23:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mokadoshi, thank you for the response and advice. I will start a discussion, on their talk page. I do assume good, I thought I did something wrong. Hopefully, its just a misunderstanding. Thank you so much. :) Ms.Aloisia (talk) 23:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I guess this isn't a problem anymore now that the user was indefinitely blocked. Mokadoshi (talk) 02:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I just saw it. Does this mean that we could revert his/her tags? and does it also mean that the pages that were deleted as a result will be restored? Ms.Aloisia (talk) 15:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Which pages were deleted? Mokadoshi (talk) 16:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The new editor appointed some other pages the day before, among which some were deleted. I don't know if they were actually Qualified for deletion or not. Many Experienced editors had the discussion on deletion. But it looked like they were ignoring the very fundamentals of Wiki while discussing deletion. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 16:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Of course I am new and still learning, I don't know if commenting there would be good or I'd be making a fool out of myself. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I brought up the potentially problematic behavior on the deletion review page. As for your article being nominated for deletion, unfortunately I am not knowledgeable about this enough to give my opinion on it. Biographies of living people (BLPs) are very complex, it is not enough to have references, there are a ton of specific notability rules for BLPs that I'm not familiar with. I will say that as someone who recently nominated an article for deletion and had my nomination opposed, I strongly believe that the people there know what they're doing. I know it can be disappointing, my second article ever was AfD'd, but I hope that doesn't discourage you. There are millions of articles that could be improved upon or written about, and if you'd like, feel free to start a discussion on my Talk page and I can give you some suggestions on improvements you might be interested in making. Mokadoshi (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Policy re: content across different Wikipedias

I understand that the projects under the Wikimedia umbrella all have their own policies, so what is acceptable on one project may not be allowed on another. My question is: do we have a link to an article or essay specifically talking about this? I checked Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and similar but couldn't find one. I would like to provide a link to the user who made this semi-protected edit request as they appear to believe that we are required to make changes to an article to align with another project. Mokadoshi (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I would say (in my reply there) Wikipedia:Other Stuff Exists, is the best you have, the spirit of that policy still applies. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:09, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! And this is the first time I've posted in Teahouse (that I remember). Is this the right place for policy questions like this? I'm aware of WP:VPP but it looked like that is for more in-depth discussions than my own. Mokadoshi (talk) 00:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This is a good page for stuff like this! Geardona (talk to me?) 00:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

How can í report vandalism?

User Robinvp11 on the Seven Years war page removed a list of belligerents, and removed lots of useful info. His excuses? For the belligerents, they sáid that they where not part of the war even though they where. He removed a quote by Winston Churchill who he claimed was a “bad historian” most of the editing is largley opinnated. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248: Can you see the wp:ani? I hope it can help you. --호로조 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@호로조: Please don't tell people to immediately go to the ANI when there hasn't been appeared to be any significant discussion on the relevant talk pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and Blackmamba31248: Oh my, I really didn't mean that he should go ANI for EW without discussion. I apologize for my slip. --호로조 (talk) 04:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

how to rename the sandbox

My sandbox is in titled "User:Anisyfqh/Sandbox" but I want to change it its own title about the article itself, how do I do this? Anisyfqh (talk) 01:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Anisyfqh: I don't know exactly what you want, but I got you want to create a subpage like User:Anisyfqh/foo. --호로조 (talk) 02:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Note to hosts: Anisyfqh moved User:Anisyfqh/sandbox themselves, after which it was WP:BLAR'd. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The way for lack of competence users to contribute the English Wikipedia?

• Administrators noticeboard, Footwiks,_competence_is_required,_and_copyvio

I felt sorry while reading this request. Above all, it seems that a user tried to contribute in good faith in some way.

I'm contributing to Russian Wiktionary by translating example sentence from a language I can speak to Russian. I don't know it's useful. But I'd like to ask for an opinion. Create a subpage where they translate referances from their native language into English. Use quotation= or {{harvnb}}: "quotation" (translation) format in articles.

English contributors select sentences that they need or request, and English native speaker correct them if they sound awkward. and then delete the sentence from subpage. Through this, we can see the sentence that was left out.

Sorry for my clumsy English or inappropriate if you feel. 호로조 (talk) 02:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. This question is probably better asked at Russian Wiktionary, but my common sense answer is 'no', since your sentences would then need manual review, adding to an already backlogged workload for volunteers. (this would be no better than translating the sentences via machine and editing the result) Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: Thank you for your kind comment, but it's an example to say Russian Wiktionary. It's not question about Russian Wiktionary. Anyway, can I then add directly translation on quotation like <ref>{{harvnb|hamseter & pigeon|2024}}"die Studie stellte sich heraus Hamster ist eine kleine Maus" (the study turned out hamster is a small mouse)</ref> without other contributor's review? --호로조 (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC) 호로조 (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You may wish to read Help:Translation (especially the last section), Wikipedia:Translate us, and Wikipedia:Content translation tool. Generally, whether or not aided by translation programs, Wikipedia editors translating from one language to another need to be fairly fluent in both of them, otherwise they may not notice when the program has 'misunderstood' something in the source, or rendered something incorrectly in the target. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.44.161 (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I think your comment is an exact answer to what I meant. In evaluating the appropriateness of a translation, one needs not only knowledge of English but also familiarity with the language itself. I realize I may have overlooked that point. Thank you for sharing your insights :) --호로조 (talk) 12:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@호로조: We can always use more eyes at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. Lectonar (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Lectonar: This is so nice of you. Thanks. --호로조 (talk) 12:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

draft question

would someone here advise me about a draft in my sandbox? I have been attempting a page and think I am getting close. User:WikiTikiTavi63/sandbox WikiTikiTavi63 (talk) 02:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

(1) First published in January 1952. Number 117 on the all-time bestselling children's books. For encyclopedic purposes, you need sentences, which (to simplify matters a lot) start with a subject and proceed with a predicate, the predicate including a verb. For example, "It was first published in January 1952". (2) The matter of "the all-time bestselling children's books" comes with a reference. Now, I realize that the US has a large, literate population with disposable income; but I'm surprised that all the bestselling children's books have English-language titles. So the source seems dodgy to me. Are these really the "All-Time Bestselling Children's Books"? (3) What have reliable sources had to say about this book? (4) Karissareadsbooks.com seems to be a personal website; how is it a reliable source? (5) We read that Karissa is the author's first name; what makes you think that her surname is Reads? (6) What criterion for notability does this draft pass? -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks for your input. I will keep working. WikiTikiTavi63 (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This appears to be intended as an article about a book. As such, the plot description is far, far too long, and everything else is too short. What is missing is more information on the author and the illustrator (did they do other books together?), the publisher, and the series that this book is part of. David notMD (talk) 03:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

How do i upload a picture with my text and citation?

New user of Wikipedia, and recently tried contributing to some pages. The question is around how to upload a picture with the text and citation to any page? ReaderAlvarez (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

First, ReaderAlvarez, you upload a picture at commons:Special:UploadWizard, paying close attention to the questions and answering them carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@ReaderAlvarez Assuming you took the picture and hence are entitled to upload and license it, then the next steps are described in full at H:PICTURES. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources that help to establish notability

Hi there, I'm relatively new to wiki and have a rather general question. I met this problem several times in editing. Does a government report significantly mentioning a tech project contributes to establish the project's notability, given that they are not related? Is it a secondary source? YvonneNo1 (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

YvonneNo1, if it merely mentions the subject, that contributes very little to establishing notability. If it contains in-depth discussion of the subject, that does indeed help.Maproom (talk) 14:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Elegant solution

Hello! I'm currently editing the Star Wars page, and am looking for help with some formatting. If you scroll down to the Cast section, you will see that the blurb beginning with "Harrison Ford as Han Solo" includes a massive list of names of actors who reportedly auditioned for the role. I'd like to create a more elegant way of formatting this information. Perhaps some or all of the names should go into an endnote? Wafflewombat (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps the guidelines at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film might help. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately there isn't anything helpful on that page. I'm going to try putting the information in an endnote. Do you know how to insert citations into an endnote? Wafflewombat (talk) 08:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, I noticed you reformatted some citations, removing the links to YouTube. If it's not appropriate to put the YouTube links in those citations, could you tell me where would be an appropriate place in the article to provide those links? It's helpful for editors to know that the documentaries referenced are available online and not just on DVDs. Wafflewombat (talk) 08:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You can always take a look at Wikipedia:Nesting footnotes or Help:Footnotes for the footnotes, and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#YouTube for the YouTube links. Hope this helps. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I figured out how to do the footnote. Wafflewombat (talk) 09:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure your most recent revision of the citations is correct? A previous version made it clear that the Empire of Dreams documentary is on a DVD in a Star Wars DVD set, but your newest version omits this information. If we're not providing the link to YouTube, it seems we should make it clear where the documentary can be found, and where it originated. As far as I can tell, it's only available online and as part of a Star Wars set, and it's not a separate product on its own DVD, as the citation seems to imply. Wafflewombat (talk) 10:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

How to revert a reversion?

I was make a mistake and reverted four edits of new user Newyork30. At first glance, they seemed identical and inappropriate to me. But now I realize that I was too quick to assume, because the language was from the cited source and the connection is the voice artist. I apologized to the user, but I don't know how to proceed. Can I revert my undo? Or does the user revert the revert? OrtusSolis (talk) 07:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, there. You can try self-reverting your edits. Also, you may want to read Help:Reverting. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding an article

Hi, i've been trying to add a brief article about an 86 year old painter, in my town. His name is Bernard Bergman. He has had an aventurous life, I drafted it in sanbox, but it was declined. I can't quite understand why. I added links and references to it. I will add what I wrote below:

(text of article removed for clarity, link to page is User:Concepts by Jones/sandbox)

Concepts by Jones (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

See WP:YFA for help there is no usable encyclopaedic content in your draft. Theroadislong (talk) 09:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok thank you. I will take a look 2A02:A44A:9354:1:35D2:7554:15A1:109A (talk) 09:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I recommend reading Wikipedia:Notability, which is linked in the decline message, as well as Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Remsense诉 09:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Concepts by Jones. I hate to be cruel, but User:Concepts by Jones/sandbox is pretty much the exact opposite of what an actual encyclopedia article should look like. It is highly promotional, violating the Neutral point of view. It is unreferenced, violating Verifiability. And it is packed with your own original observations and conclusions, violating No original research. Wikipedia has three core content policies and you have violated all three of them. Please read and study Your first article, and start over. Good luck. Cullen328 (talk) 09:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328 Your not cruel at all. I love to write about 'unique' people. Just haven't been invested in the rules of Wikipedia. I'll get studying. Thanks ;)! 2A02:A44A:9354:1:35D2:7554:15A1:109A (talk) 10:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Your question has been answered at length at the Help desk. Please keep the discussion in one place to conserve volunteer effort.Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

need assistance in creating a wiki article

hello can anyone help me wiht creating an article on wikipedia please i want to create an article for an NGO AutismConnect (talk) 10:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Is it an NGO you are personally associated with? If so, you have a conflict of interest and are thus strongly discouraged from writing about on Wikipedia. Remsense诉 10:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

i wanted to creat an wikipedia page for the NGO the NGO Management asked me to AutismConnect (talk) 10:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Please show your management this page, which is written to explain why having articles written for them doesn't usually help organizations. Remsense诉 11:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks but i have to create the page for the NGO please help AutismConnect (talk) 11:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You are strongly discouraged from editing with a conflict of interest, and have to follow all the regular guidelines when doing so. I recommend you follow the instructions on the page I linked, and show it to management. Remsense诉 11:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

thank you so much i have created the page and submitting it for review now hope it will get created if it gets then i will be reliefe AutismConnect (talk) 11:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Your AutismConnect account is blocked because the name implies the organization. You can change the name - per info on your Talk page - or abandon it and start a new account. The new name could be something like Bob at AutismConnect if you prefer to keep AC in the name. There is no creation of a draft attributed to your AutismConnect account. Was that created without being logged in, or already using another account? David notMD (talk) 12:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

It was drafted, then disappeared... I *personally * can't submit...

I spruced up an article that someone wrote about me, added references, cleaned up wording etc.

Now I fear I won't be able to publish because "blatent self promotion".

If somebody, anybody would be willing to make an article, it's all typed up and formatted at this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gO54cZRcKTI_yf-AfMeC_g0UKmb0BnctC-j9GNSlrK4

Or just bookmark for after I die, either way is fine :P '==== sits back in an imaginary recliner ====' 4everwreckliner (talk) 11:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

There is is no usable content there, we require content to have been published in a reliable independent source. Theroadislong (talk) 12:05, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

There is no existing Wikipedia article for C.R. Kunferman. Was it submitted as a draft - perhaps uswing a different account - and then Speedy deleted? What you posted at that hyperlink is not Wikipedia-ready. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be Boswell to your Johnson. Attempts at autobiography are advised against but not forbidden, often attempted, almost always fail (see WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Wording such as "Kunferman's innovative contributions across multiple disciplines have had a significant impact. His work in digital art and music, combined with his contributions to web technology, have helped shape the landscape of many industries. Furthermore, his research in mathematics and cryptography has offered fresh insights and fueled ongoing academic discourse. As such, Kunferman's unique perspective and interdisciplinary approach have earned him recognition and respect worldwide, establishing him as a vital figure in digital art, music, and research." is blatantly self-promotional and correctly Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your professional advisement. I was not the original author of the article, I just added references, and did some editing. I believe everybodywiki hosts a copy that was pulled from drafts which I followed originally to see the rejection reasons for the draft. @Theroadislong As far as usable content there is 3rd party references to everything, which I was able to track down and provide to the article which had disappeared.

@David notMD

If I was looking to have someone Boswell to my Johnson I would have paid one of the numerous companies that garuntee an article submission for around $400-600. While I admit my ego got boosted by some of the words, I deliberately didn't go a autobiographing or making self blatent promotion statements. I posted here in the hopes someone might have a discussion about edits or ways to improve the article. Maybe get advised on who I can speak to about getting it published... Not get "insert wikipedia editor thread slang here showing a specific type of overusage" deleted.

I would suggest a copy and paste into your sandboxes before making such judgements. It may be easier to read. 4everwreckliner (talk) 14:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Note to anyone scrolling through the archives: anyone guaranteeing an article for pay is a scammer. The scam warning at WP:SCAM has more details. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

We do not "require content to have been published in a reliable independent source"; indeed, most such content cannot be republished here. We generally require content to be original; but to be cited to sources that have been published in a reliable independent sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

My apologies for the sloppy wording. Theroadislong (talk) 16:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

After consideration of the responses, I will be tracking down the original author and avoiding the teahouse for further advice. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4everwreckliner (talk • contribs) 14:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

JelloApocalypse Lovely Complex incident brought me here, so I ask about the questions related Zombie Land Saga

*Did Minami Tanaka, the Japanese voice actress of Lily lie to the fans about the reveal in the interview? She also talks about a subtle touch to the acting of Lily, in which the Lily seen in flashbacks wore glasses as a boy, but Lily's glasses were gone after Lily began dressing like a girl. True or false?

She actually always says Lily is a boy, a crossdresser, and even an otokonoko over 9000 times since the producer of Zombie Land Saga said it in Animage magazine. Is it true?

*What are the similarities between JelloApocalypse's Lovely Complex script and Crunchyroll's infamous subtitle of Zombie Land Saga episode 8? 182.2.167.132 (talk) 13:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Wrong venue. Please take this to the talk page or Wikipedia:Reference desk. Wolverine XI ^{(den • 🐾)} 13:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Which talk page? Zombie Land Saga or Lovely Complex ? 182.2.167.132 (talk) 13:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Please don't take this to the article talk page. It is inappropriate per WP:TALK. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

What about my own talk page? 182.2.167.132 (talk) 13:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Also no. Wikipedia is not a forum. Industrial Insect (talk) 16:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Archived Teahouse Questions

Is it possible to read archived Teahouse Questions? I received valuable feedback to my question. Had I known it would be deleted or archived I would have saved the page as a PDF for future reference.

Thank you, Puzzledrat (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

RE: my_WP_page_submission%3A_a_simple_reference_tool_for_readers_of_the_novel_Infinite_Jest

Puzzledrat (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Puzzledrat: Please see Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1217#RE: my WP page submission: a simple reference tool for readers of the novel Infinite Jest. --CiaPan (talk) 14:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You can find it by putting a significant part of the title you seek in the 'Search Help' form close to the top of this page. Enclose your query contents in quotation marks so that you get pages with that phrase, otherwise you'll get a list of pages containig any of the given words in any order. Compare the results of searching "simple reference tool for readers" with quotation marks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22simple+reference+tool+for+readers%22

and without them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=simple+reference+tool+for+readers

CiaPan (talk) 14:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Vung Tau Air Base

September of 1965 the 54th Aviation Air Mobile Fixed Wing known, at that time, as "Otter Air Service". Commanded by Maj. Hoey, their aircraft was the DeHavellin U1A Otter. I was a member of the unit. Sp5 Clyde R Ruble. 98.226.20.43 (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you have a published reliable source that supports that claim, it might be added to the Vung Tau Air Base article. Unfortunately Wikipedia cannot use memories as sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Producer notability guidelines

Hello. I am a fairly new editor, having joined only a few days ago. I am interested in making an article for the producer Ruuben, who most notably was a producer for Last Last which was nominated for a Grammy and received platinum certifications in eight countries, as well as two albums by Gettomasa which received awards at the Emma-gaala (Finnish equivalent to Emmy). WP:MUSIC doesn't seem to have any information regarding producers, so I am wondering if this would be an appropriate case to make an article on this. PunchboxNET (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@PunchboxNET When there isn't specific guidance on notability, then for people's biography there is general advice at WP:NBIO. You might also like to read WP:BACKWARD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I am also curious what the notability guidelines for record labels are. Are they the same as company notability guidelines? PunchboxNET (talk) 16:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

yes that would be WP:NCORP. Theroadislong (talk) 16:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Article on book

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § Article on book

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hai, I would like to know about policies regarding articles about books? Only those books that are discussed in reliable sources deserve to have an article, right? In other words, "being published" doesn't mean it can have an article, right? Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Echo1Charlie Yes, we say that topics need to be wikinotable. See that link for details regarding books. Even discussion in reliable sources is not enough: all the criteria of the golden rules need to be met. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Possible COI and sockpuppeting on Article for Deletion

Hi! I'm relatively new to editing here and this is my first time reaching out in the Teahouse. I've nominated an article for deletion and received some odd feedback: the article is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skyeskyns, a tannery. The first reply shared a personal story related to the tannery and was from a user who only edits that page, which makes me suspect a conflict of interest. The second reply came from a new account created just five minutes after the first comment, created only to comment on the deletion discussion, leading me to suspect it's a sockpuppet account named User:20Silkcut The third comment also came from a user who has likewise only made that one comment. All three responded by putting the keep vote in ==heading== style rather than the usual bold, making me think they could all be from the same person.

So my question is, what to do in this situation? The deletion nomination hasn't had any other eyes on it so with three keeps it'll probably stay. Can I report the accounts as sockpuppets even if they only have one post each? It's not much to go off.

Curiously the Skyeskyns page was started with a band as the topic before abruptly being changed to reflect a tannery.

• Previous band page
• Suddenly a tannery

InDimensional (talk) 18:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This is odd. Brokeback Range made numerous edits to the article while it was about a band, then on February 26th of this year hijacked it himself to make it about a tannery. Whatever the merits of either version, I cannot condone the hijacking, and will revert that. Maproom (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

How do i cite a default configuration file bundled with an Operating System?

While editing the macOS text editing shortcuts section of Table of keyboard shortcuts, I got a table of all available shortcuts by dumping the system default configuration file with plutil(1) (you may notice that I mentioned it to support my edits in the edit summary). I think it's beneficial to cite it in the article, but don't know how. WP:CITE has no mention of configuration files, a quick google search turned up nothing either, so I came here to ask. Hym3242 (talk) 18:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

A question of translations

Today I've been working on User:CommissarDoggo/Grigory Sverdlin and User:CommissarDoggo/Idite Lesom, and I came across an interesting dilemma. I posed it to the Discord, but the answer was inconclusive yet slanted towards the more commonly used name.

I'm wondering whether to use "Go by the Forest" (the more commonly used name for Idite Lesom, see the numerous sources on User:CommissarDoggo/Grigory Sverdlin#Go by the Forest), or whether to use "Get Lost" (which is used by a couple sources but, more importantly, the English translation of their official website: [2]https://iditelesom.org/en/).

Additionally, "Get Lost" seems to more be a tongue-in-cheek similarity according to [3]https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-georgia-evading-draft/32375122.html; "The name, Go by the Forest, is a play on words, a reference to the covert nature of its work but also a popular Russian idiom understood across the former Soviet Union to mean 'Get lost!'"

I suppose I'm hoping for some sort of policy that's hiding out there to answer the question, as I am somewhat torn while also leaning towards the more commonly used name. Thanks in advance. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, I am a foolish fool who used the exact title of the policy exactly three times. If I said it into a mirror that many times it would probably slap me. See: WP:COMMONNAME CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)